"Hi Joey,I think we may be talking past each other. You once again meonntied language, but my concern is with metaphysics. We can refer to many things by using a singular term, but that doesn't mean that there is only one thing there. My question is How many things are there really'. And the answer, I submit, leads towards plurality.I still think (c) is incoherent. Let us say that Dom and Joey are a people. They are singular, so there really is only one people there. There is one thing, so there are not two things (Dom and Joey). This makes Dom identical to Joey, which would involve some form of psychic transfusion or something. I don't think you want to endorse that. Same thing with the Trinity. The Son is not formally identical with the Spirit (ie, the Spirit did not die on the cross). We need to keep the individuality and distinctness in tact, and endorsing (c) does not do this. I think I am asking you to flesh out your doctrine of plural singularity'.I agree that the persons constitute the group , but then you add and collectively ARE the group . The relation of constitution and identity are very very different. The statue of David is constituted by the clay, but is not identical to the clay. It cannot be identical to the clay because if the clay falls to the ground and breaks then the clay still remains (scattered on the floor), but the statue of David does not. And, self-identical substances cannot have differing persistence conditions (ie, it is not possible that I am both alive and not alive at the same time). The same goes for the church. The church is constituted of people, but the church cannot be identical to the people. Why? Because the people of the church come and go. Someone rejects Christ, someone else comes towards Christ, but the church remains throughout this. If the church were identical to the people Dom and Joey, then Dom left the church, and Sam joined the church, then the church perished. Why? Because the church literally is Dom and Joey, but we no longer have Dom and Joey, we have Joey and Sam, and Dom and Joey are not identical to Joey and Sam. This leads us to conclude that a singularity is not identical with a plurality, so we need to decide who God loves. Does God love the people of the group, or the group of the people?"
– Restu, Z0SFMcAhQys,
StDvGYvU, MT, Nov 13, 2015
"You are in Gods arms, R.I.P. you will truly be missed"
– Ruby L. Hart-Aulderman, friend,
Oct 05, 2011
"One of the most beautiful looking men in the world. I loved him in Gidget! When he was a beach bumm to all of his young friends because he was the "CaHuonna". I know its misspelled; you all from 1950-60's know! I just admired him in other movies also! Gidget is the one I remember the most of him as an actor! The first Gidget! Another comes to mind; PICNIC! He was wonderful as a jealous boyfriend in that one! They were stars back than & looked the part! Wonderful memories of a fallen stars! May He RIP..... God Bless."
– jene, fan,
Sep 16, 2011
"To Cliff's family: I had the great pleasure of meeting Cliff at an airshow in Dayton, Ohio in 1985 and then saw him again the same year at the Oshkosh airshow. At the time, he was interested in a glider produced by the company I was employed by - Grob. He was very accomodating and friendly and invited myself and a coworker to sit and speak with him at the Grainery restaurant in Oshkosh.
I very much enjoyed our conversation and felt that he was a very down-to-earth, friendly, approachable man. He will always have a special place in my heart!
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